Sig P229 Serial Number Dates

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  1. All firearms shipped to SIG SAUER require a service request number and the serial number of the firearm. This number can be obtained by calling our customer service group (603-310-3000). A customer service representative will guide you though this process. Please have your serial number ready when calling.
  2. Where is the serial numbers on a sig sauer p229? ∙ 2008-12-07 23:55:00. Look on the frame. ∙ 2008-12-07 23:55:00.
  3. Sep 12, 2012 Date of manu of Sig 229? Of manufacture of my Sig P229. Where I could plug in the serial no. And get the date? Mach1.3, Sep 11, 2012 #1. Joined: Dec 21, 2010 Messages: 281 Location: Kansas City. Look for two letters on the front of the slide. JE would be 84 or 1984 date of manufacture.

Sig Sauer Date Of Manufacture By Serial Number. Originally Posted By Growler67: SiG date codes are stamped 2 letter codes. Underside of the slide at the muzzle end next to the proof marks. Here is my P228, it was made in 1997. The letters decode as follows: A = 0 B = 1 C = 2 D = 3 E = 4 F = 5 G = 6 H = 7 J = 8 K = 9 If yours does not.

If you've heard someone mention proof marks or date codes when discussing a SIG Sauer pistol, but weren't quite sure what those were, then the goal of this article is to bring you up to speed. And even if you're already familiar with proof marks, maybe this article can broaden your knowledge and teach you something new.

What are Proof Marks?

Proof marks are stamps embedded in certain parts of a firearm following (and sometimes during, depending on the firearm type) its manufacturing to indicate that the firearm has been 'proven' to be able to handle the specific type of ammunition for which it was designed. In modern years, they truly do serve that purpose. But like many government regulations, their origins have more to do with self-interest than safety.

The first proof marks started appearing in 15th century France, and by the 17th century, European firearms guildsmen were heavily promoting their use — and lobbying their governments for laws requiring them — primarily to dissuade competition from non-guildsmen and scare potential purchasers away from un-proofed guns.

In 1637, after heavy lobbying from the London Gunmakers Company, a London-area firearms guild, King Charles I issued a Royal Charter setting firearms safety standards. The London Gunmakers Company set up a 'proof house' in London, and not surprisingly… firearms makers who were not part of a guild tended to fail testing more often than the guild members. Guns that passed testing were stamped with a mark representing the proof house. Over the next few decades, other countries established their own safety standards and proof houses, along with their own unique marks. Much like reciprocity of modern concealed carry permits between states, some European countries began to recognize each others' proof marks as a high enough testing standard for foreign countries' firearms to be legally imported.

Fast forward to 1914, when a number of European countries formed the CIP (Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives) as a formal standards group to ensure consistent testing among member countries. As of 2015, the CIP includes 14 member states. In order for a civilian firearm produced in a CIP member state to be legally imported to another CIP country, it must bear the proof mark of a CIP member state (military testing standards are, predictably, different than civilian ones). The United States does not participate in CIP, but instead formed its own standards group named SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute). While the CIP and SAAMI do share information and cooperate, neither has a requirement regarding selling in each other's countries. Because the US is not a CIP member state, foreign guns do not need a CIP proof mark to be sold in the US, nor do US guns need a US proof mark to be sold in CIP member countries. This is an important fact that will become relevant again later in this article.

Examples of German Proof Marks

Here's an assortment of mid 20th century proof marks used through Germany's (and West Germany's) history:

The top row (a) indicates the German (or East/West German, depending on the year) city in which the proof house is located. The column marked (b) shows varios German/West German proof marks after 1945, while the column marked (c) shows German proof marks used from 1939-1945.

Here's another image showing the marks of German/West German proof houses, along with the approximate year they were first in use:

Proof Marks on SIG Sauer Pistols

Depending on it's vintage and model, you might see proof marks on a German / West German SIG's frame:

Proof mark on a West German P220 frame

Or on its barrel:On the slide chin (the underside of the slide near the muzzle end), which is the most common location for West German and German SIG Sauers:

Proof marks on the slide chin of a West German SIG Sauer pistol

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To make sense of these proof marks, let's look at those on the above slide chin.

Kiel Proof House Mark

The top proof mark indicates the Kiel Proof House. Since Kiel is only 17 miles from SIG Sauer's manufacturing facility in Eckernförde, that's the proof mark you should expect to see on a proofed SIG Sauer. Many refer to the Kiel mark as a 'squashed bug,' while others have claimed it's an oak leaf. Actually, the proof mark is based on the city of Kiel's coat of arms:

…which in turn is based on the district of Schaumburg's coat of arms:

Coat of arms of Schaumburg

The shape represents a Nesselblatt, or nettle leaf. Tradition held that the leaves of the nettle were symbolic of the nails used to crucify Christ, so the three larger leaves represent the nails of the crucifixion.

All true German and West German SIGs were test fired at the Kiel proof house, so the Nesselblatt proof mark is an indicator of a true German or West German SIG. I've also heard one report of the Ulm proof house's stag antler mark appearing on a the frame and slide of a 1993 SIG P226 (in addition to the Kiel mark on the slide), which would imply that the firearm required repair and re-proofing… and presumably the repair took place at a location that was closer to Ulm than Kiel. Normally, you'd expect to see the Ulm proof mark on a Walther or H&K firearm.

The German Definitive Mark and Nitro Testing

Underneath the Kiel Nesselblatt (though the order of the marks is not important), we find the image of an eagle with the letter 'N' underneath. Some incorrectly believe that the eagle mark is a remnant of Nazi-era Germany, particularly since Germany's firearms proof mark was a previously crown, and was changed to an eagle in 1939.

In actuality, the German Reichsadler (literally 'Eagle of the Realm') dates back to the eagle on the standard of the Roman Empire, and was used as a symbol of the Second German Empire as early as 1871… long before the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The same eagle design has continued its use in West Germany since 1945, but under a new name of Bundesadler, or 'Union Eagle.'

The Eagle-N mark signifies that the firearm was proofed in Germany (or West Germany, depending on when the firearm was proofed), while the 'N' indicates that the firearm was proofed using a Nitro Beschuss load. 'Beschuss' translates as 'bombardment,' 'shelling,' or 'firing' depending on context, and 'nitro' is short for 'nitrocellulose,' a highly flammable compound used to creates pressures inside the firearm higher than standard gun powder.

Pistols are delivered to the proof houses in their fully assembled form for proofing. For pistols, CIP standards require cartridges that generate pressure 30% higher than the standard ammunition for which the pistol is designed, so the two high pressure nitro rounds are fired through the pistol. Technicians then disassemble the pistol and examine it in a dark room using a fluoroscopic lamp, looking for magnetic flux leakage. Provided everything looks good, the pistol is re-assembled and receives the country's CIP proof mark indicating what type of test it passed (the Eagle-N or 'definitive' mark in the case of a German gun), the mark of the proof house, and marks indicating the date of the tests. The firearms is then returned to the manufacturer who can legally sell the firearm domestically or export it to another CIP country.

The 'nitro' proof mark is also referred to as the 'definitive' (or final) mark of the proof house, as opposed to a 'provisional' mark which would generally only apply to shotgun barrels in an early stage of manufacture, which are tested at proof houses to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on defective tubes.

Date Codes

Looking back at our photo, the 'JK' under the definitive proof mark is the date code. Date codes are two-letter indicators of the year that a firearm was proofed. Major German firearms companies such as Heckler and Koch, Walther, and SIG Sauer all used a similar date code format:

German gun manufacturers used these letters in place of numbers for date codes

Just to keep things interesting, SIG Sauer chose not to use the letter 'I' because it looked too much like the numeral '1,' so J = 8 in SIG speak. The proof house in Koln (Cologne), Germany also follows this format. Walther and Heckler & Koch chose to use 'I' for 8 but skip 'J,' except that you will see a 'J' on an H&K magazine's date code. Gotta love German logic. 🙂

Using the above table, we can determine that the 'JK' date code in the photo stands for '89' — meaning this firearm was proofed in 1989… which coincidentally happened to be the year the Berlin Wall came down. This doesn't necessarily mean that the pistol was manufactured in 1989. It's quite possible the barrel was made in 1986, the frame in 1987, and the slide in 1988… but that all the parts weren't assembled together into a firearm and delivered to a proof house until 1989. Or it's possible that all the parts were actually made in 1989, and then assembled and proofed that same year. There's no way to know. A true German / West German firearm isn't technically 'born' until it's been proofed.

Note that a gun's date code is different than its serial number. It's impossible to decode a SIG serial number to determine when it was proofed, although you can try to locate the range of your SIG's serial number in this list to approximate when it was made, or call SIG Sauer with the serial number and see if they have any info in their system. Serial numbers aren't always truly representative of the chronological order of a firearm, but they can sometimes get you close. Only a date code can tell you the year of proofing.

Proofed vs. Non-Proofed 'Made in Germany' Guns

If you've read my article on West German vs. German vs. Other SIGs, you'll know that proof marks are one of the primary indicators or whether a SIG Sauer (or any other firearm) is truly 'made' in Germany (or West Germany) as opposed to assembled in the US using German-made parts… even though the parts might be stamped 'Made in Germany.' Because the US is not a CIP country, guns marked 'Made in Germany' do not need to be proofed in order to be sold here, as long as they are assembled in the US.

In my opinion, a gun without German proof marks (with very few exceptions) is not truly a German gun. Whether that actually affects the desirability or quality of the gun is for you to decide. But you should at least be aware that for most SIG purists, the existence of proof marks is what determines whether a gun is correctly referred to as 'Made in Germany.'

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Putting it All Together

Now that you know how to decode proof marks and date codes, see if you can figure out where and when the following firearms were proofed. Most are SIGs, but I threw some other German guns in there just for fun. 🙂


Normally, the proof house mark is above the definitive mark on a SIG, but this is a very early SIG P220


Walther P99


I welcome your corrections, questions, comments, & feedback below.

Sig p229 serial number dates

Further Reading:

  • http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2011/01/testing-firearms-proof-test.html
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_test

Sig P229 Serial Number Dates

SIG P-229: A .40 S&W Well Worth the Wait

By Frank James
The Sig P-229 in .40 S&W caliber was a long time coming. The first prototype was shown to a few writers at the 1991 Shot Show, but Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft, or SIG, unlike some other manufacturers, did not rush its .40 S&W caliber pistol into production.They waited until they were sure they had everything right. And let me tell you the P-229 is a pistol that was worth the wait. The past few years have witnessed a revolution in police firearms asAmerican law enforcement agencies have finally embraced the semi-auto pistol. A number of different firms, both foreign and domestic, and an even larger number of competing designs havebeen struggling to capture control of this market. For a long time, in the beginning, it was anyone's race, but now it can be argued the leaders of the pack have thinned to three major competitors.

They are the Beretta Model 92, the Glock series of handguns, and the SIG pistols. The success of Beretta can be attributed to a numberof factors, but the fact the U.S. Army adopted it to replace the venerable 1911 pistol is probably the most indicative aspect of its success.

Glock pistols are worn by an ever-increasing number of American police officers for many sound and logical reasons. The popular Glock series of pistols has been one of the most significant developments in handgun design for the past decade. Price, light weight, good ergonomics, and high round capacity are the four most obvious attributes of this well- received police pistol.

But, when you examine the handgun of choice used by the various federal law enforcement agencies of the United States government as well as the state and local agencies throughout the United States, one thing becomes increasingly clear. The SIG pistols are big winners.

SIG-produced pistols are used by the FBI, the DEA, the Secret Service, and the BATF, as well as a number of smaller federal agencies. The P-228 was recently adopted by the U.S. Army as the M-11, or the concealment pistol for undercover or plain clothes operatives for the military. The FBI experienced some problems with their version of the 10mm Smith & Wesson pistols, leading them to go to theSIG P-226 and P-228 for their newly trained special agents. (S&W, in the meantime, has addressed the FBI's concerns and is delivering pistols to the bureau.) The SIG pistols operate in a manner exactly like that required by the agency, and they operate with a degree of reliability that was unheard of only a decade ago for any auto-pistol, regardless of make or model.

Swiss Army Gun

Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft was established in 1853 to manufacture small arms for the Swiss Army. SIG has always been a Swiss firm, but in the 1970s it joined with the German firm of J. P. Sauer & Sohn to market handguns worldwide due to the limitationsplaced on the export of small arms by the Swiss government. This explains the name SIG-Sauer so often seen and heard in the United States.

Around the turn of the century SIG became involved in manufacturing parts and components for the Swiss service pistol - the Parabellum, commonly known in this country as the German Luger. The Parabellum served the Swiss well, establishing a good reputation for accuracy, if not complete reliability. The Swiss and SIG, in particular, began searching for a better design during the late 1930s and eventually settled upon a design sold to the French by Charles Petter.

A license for the 1935 French service pistol was obtained in 1937 from the French government and SACM, the French firm manufacturing the Petter design. A number of experimental models were built over an extended period starting before World War II and ending just after the war. Eventually, this pistol was adopted as the Model SP 47/8, which is known today as the Model 210.

The Model 210

By all standards, the SIG Model 210 is generally regarded as the most accurate 9x19mm semi-auto pistol in the world. It is often referred to as the most elegant and accurate of all 9mm service pistols available, anywhere! What isn't generally known, however, is the fact that in 1944 SIG developed an experimental model called the 'Neuhausen44/16' that was, essentially, an early high-capacity version of the Model 210 featuring a magazine that held 16 rounds.

Reportedly, it was a good design and it was not extremely large in the grip area, but there was little interest in a 16-shooter at the time, so the Neuhausen 44/8 was developed into the SP 47/8, or the 9mmOrdonnanzpistole 49 (with an eight-round magazine) as it was called initially. In 1957, the SP 47/8 was renamed the Model 210. Besides being an extremely accurate pistol, the 210 is also a very expensive handgun. SIG, realizing this high cost was hurting sales, began development of a new pistol in the 1960s.

In 1974, the SIG P-220 was introduced. The P-220 is a large pistol, chambered initially in 9x 19mm, and was almost immediately chosen by the Swiss military as the Pistole 75. The P-220 wasn't imported into the United States until 1977, and then it was by two different importers. Both Browning and Hawes National Corp. of Van Nuys, Calif., had import agreements to being the first Sig P-220 pistols into the country. The Sig P-220 was chambered for the 9x19mm, the .38 Super, and the .45 ACP rounds. Hawes soon fell by the wayside and Browning for a period of time was the sole importer of the Sig P-220.

The German Police Trials of 1975 fostered development of the Sig P-225, which was a smaller version of the P-220. At first the P-225 was chambered for only one caliber - the 9x19mm. The P-225 was both smaller and lighter than the 9mm version of the P-220, but it suffered the loss of only one round in terms of its magazine capacity. (The P-225 magazine holds eight rounds, while the 9mm P-220 magazine holds nine.) The P-225 came out of the German Police Trials as one of the three finalists acceptable for duty. It became known as the P-6 in company with the Walther P-5, and the Heckler & Koch P-7.

The next 9mm SIG pistol was the P-226 and it came in answer to the request by the American military for a high capacity 9x19mm pistol to replace the aging 1911 pistols in U.S. inventory. The P-226 didquite well in the lengthy and extensive trials that followed, and was almost selected. The decision to adopt the Beretta 92 over the SIG P-226 reportedly came down to which pistol was cheaper, while some authorities have suggested that other, unseen influences were at work.

In any event, the P-226 did not win the JSSAP service pistol trials, but it did go on to establish an enviable reputation for reliability. This reputation for reliability and complete functioning combinedtogether with a new attitude on the part of many in Ametican law enforcement, who valued only those firearms that worked, produced sales acceptance for the Sig. The sales success of the Sig 9mm pistols has gone even beyond the demand and acceptance seen two decades earlier for the Smith & Wesson Model 19 revolver. In the 1960s, it was almost impossible for the civilian consumer to locate and purchase a four-inch Model 19 .357 Magnum because S&W's total production was going to police sales. The Combat Magnum was far and away the handgun of choice of America's police officers duringthe 1960s.

Now however, esthetics, looks, glamour, history, or who made the pistol in question, are all considered immaterial to the basic need for an auto-pistol that works exceedingly well. The SIG pistols have found a home with a group of people who value results over hyperbole.

In 1988, the P-228 was introduced to the European market. The P-228 is, in concise terms, a P-225 with an enlarged magazine holding 13 rounds of 9x19mm. Titan quest mac free. As you may have noticed, outside of the P-220, all of these handguns have followed the European acceptance of the9x19mm cartridge as a 'big bore' self-defense round, but Americans tend to have different perceptions and interpretations of their needs.

The P-220, while a very successful pistol, is also a large handgun. Certain segments of the market were uninterested in a pistol of this size. Nor were their needs answered by a 9x19mm pistol, so SIG likemany others became interested in the .40 S&W cartridge.

Best of Both Worlds

The beauty of the .40 S&W cartridge is that it offers the best of both worlds: a big bore cartridge possessing the potential for large caliber effectiveness, while also fitting into smaller framed magazines sufficiently well to provide high magazine capacity. The downsides to the .40 S&W are the increased slide velocity and the greater recoil forces experienced when chambered in pistols that were nominally designed for the 9mm cartridge.

SIG pistols, while never revolutionary, are unique in terms of their construction. The 220, 225, 226, and 228 all use slides manufactured from thick-gauge sheet metal formed over a mandrel. The muzzle bushing is welded into the formed slide, while the rear piece of the slide is fitted via a keyway and then held in position through use of a rollpin.

Because these pistols are recoil operated, there is a need for some means of locking the barrel to the slide. That is accomplished by having the chamber block of the barrel fit closely into the ejection port when the gun goes into battery. It is a simple system, and it works. It also eliminates the need for machining locking lug recesses within the slide, and allows the use of thick gauge sheet metal in forming the contour of the slide. However, it soon became apparent this would not work for any pistol chambering the .40 S&W round. The increased power yielded forces that would be hard for themandrel-formed slide to withstand.

SIG solved this problem by going to a machined stainless steel slide. It is significant, if for no other reason than to understand the importance of the American market, to note that this stainless steel slide for the P-229 is manufactured completely in the United States. The aluminum alloy frame is still manufactured in Germany and it says so on the rightside, but the slide is a 'Made In USA' component.

By having the frame made from aluminum, the P-229 follows the precedent established by the previous SIG pistols. A steel locking block is installed in the alloy frame to serve a combination of functions; the first is to act as the locking block for the barrel earn and to lock/unlockthe barrel within the slide. The second is to serve as a feed guide for the cartridge entering the chamber, and the third function is to absorb the recoil forces without damaging the alloy frame.

The .40 caliber P-229 mimics the size and feel of the 9mm P-228, but they are not exactly identical. Outside of the obvious differences seen at the muzzle and the different methods used in manufacturing the slide, there are smaller differences.

The magazines are different for the 228 and the 229. The 229 magazineholds 12 rounds of .40 S&W ammo, while the 228 holds 13 rounds of9x19mm ammunition. However, the 228 magazine will not fit inside the P-229. Why? Because the 229 mag is wider at its base than its 9mm counterpart and it narrows at two different locations on the magazine tube. In contrast, the P-228 magazine narrows only at the upper pointwhere the tube starts to form the feed lips.

The control levers on the P-229 are the same as they are for the previous pistols. There are three. They are all on the left sideof the gun and the most forward is the take-down lever for fieldstripping. The middle lever, just below the slide, is the decocking lever, and this is the key distinguishing feature of the SIG series of handguns.

The 229, like all SIG pistols, utilizes an automatic firing pin safety. This means the SIG operates without need of traditional safety control levers. It is a double action/single action semi-automatic and thefirst shot when the hammer is down requires a double action trigger pull.

SIG presently has a safety bulletin out advising shooters against lowering the hammer on their pistols with any method other than the decocking lever. When the shooter stops shooting, or if the threat is no longer present, the shooter should take his finger off the trigger and with a simple down-stroke of the decocking lever, lower the hammer on the handgun. The pistol is still instantly ready for action with a double action trigger pull. It is a simple and easy system to teach those shooters who formerly carried revolvers. There is no confusing abundance of safety levers or complicated sequences.

The third lever on the left side is the slide release. It is used to release the slide after it locks open, either for the reload or for inspection. The slide release's position relative to the decocking lever requires some training because a common error for new SIG shooters is to hit the decocking lever when they really want to release the slide after the reload.

Shooting the .40 SIG reveals a pistol with some recoil, but because the grip is so well designed the rearward push is more straight to the rear than that felt on competing designs. One of my complaints about the .40 S&W cartridge has been the fact that production .40 caliber pistols have seldom demonstrated what I would classify as'good' accuracy. Adequate is an accurate description for most of the past .40 S&W service pistols I have tested, but I was duly impressed with the accuracy of the test P-229. In short, it shot and shot well, even if the recoil proved tiresome and induced fatigue over a three hour test session.

At the distance of 50 feet it was not uncommon to keep 12 rounds within a 3 1/2' circle in continuous firing strings that offered no pause for rest. If I concentrated on my best five-shot slow-fire strings,I could easily tighten these groups by an inch or better.

The P-229 is a successful pistol. It combines high round capacity (12+1) together with a serious big bore cartridge, and it does it in a package that is both light to carry and easy to shoot. The feel of a SIG is legendary, but the most sterling quality of the P-229 is its reliability. These guns work!

It may have taken SIG a little longer to introduce and produce their.40 S&W pistols, but believe me the wait was worth it. The P-229 is a serious self-defense/law enforcement handgun.

First published in the 1994 Annual edition of Guns Magazine
Specifications
OperationSemiautomatic, mechanically
locked, recoil operated
TriggerDouble-action/single-action
or double-action only
SafetyPatented automatic firing-pin lock
Caliber9mm Luger.357 SIG.40 S&W
Length, overall7.1'7.1'7.1'
Height, overall5.4'5.4'5.4'
Width, overall1.5'1.5'1.5'
Barrel length3.8'3.8'3.8'
Rifling twist1 in 10'1 in 15'1 in 16'
Rifling grooves666
Sight radius5.7'5.7'5.7'
Weight, w/o
magazine
27.5 oz.27.5 oz.27.5 oz.
Weight,
empty magazine
3.0 oz.3.0 oz.3.0 oz.
Trigger pullDA 12 lbs.,
SA 4.5 lbs.
DA 12 lbs.,
SA 4.5 lbs.
DA 12 lbs.,
SA 4.5 lbs.
Magazine capacity13 rounds12 rounds12 rounds




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